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what's up guys how's it going thank you

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for joining me um i hope everyone's

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doing well

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so um i'm actually just waiting for

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james still he's not arrived yet in the

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green room so yeah let's just hang about

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i'm sure he's

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doesn't mean to be late i know he's not

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on being with his kids and stuff so yeah

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let's just see what's going on in the

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chat let's see who's here

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hello joss if anyone's got any questions

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as well while we're waiting you know

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there's been a lot going on in the past

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few days so we can chat about that if

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you want to

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obviously lose announced that he's got

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this book coming out um obviously we've

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got the

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the authorization act hr 4350 with this

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proposed uap office

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um oh

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he's here he's here guys without further

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ado

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mr james and oli

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hey brother how's it going good man how

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are you

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oh good good glad to be man

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thanks for having me on hey man it's a

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pleasure man i had so much such a

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positive response from the last one i

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thought you're one of the first people

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i'd want back as a returning guest so i

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appreciate you taking the time man great

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i appreciate it hi cool how's things

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been man i i've not really spoken too

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much recently it seems like you've been

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off the radar a little bit

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yeah yeah i've been off the radar

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a mix of uh you know kids getting back

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to school me doing vacation

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working on another project that's coming

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up and stuff like that

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good stuff keeping busy then

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yeah yeah trying to keep up

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i know it's just suddenly ramped up

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again in the last few days i thought

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we'd kind of jump straight into the kind

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of current news um

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what are your thoughts on this kind of

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announcement they're looking to put this

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permanent uap office in place of the

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task force

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i i think that's what everybody was was

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hoping would be the kind of response

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uh the uap task force report

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so we we got there pretty quick i

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thought there was actually going to be

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like a few subsequent reports after the

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90 days and 90 days and then they'll say

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oh wait that we're finding more let's do

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a permanent thing but the fact that

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they're already getting to this is a i

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think is an indicator of of where we're

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yeah definitely i agree that's pretty

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incredible that happened that fast so

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there's people working behind the scenes

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helped this initiative out

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yeah completely man and i mean

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it seems pretty evident that it's gonna

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all remain classified all these reports

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that are gonna be coming into the office

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personally i think that's a great just

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it's still a great step in the right

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direction for what might happen

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further down the line you know what do

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i think people were genuinely concerned

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about that and rightfully so because you

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know the kind of ideas like are we

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of well they're gonna acknowledge it's

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real and then

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um you know kind of play this game

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and uh you know there's a lot of people

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who have different perspectives uh dr

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you know the the the institutions and

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power structures don't have much to gain

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for this where the people of the world

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so it's it's a tricky one and

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you know i think there are people again

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you know they're just learning about

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this for the first time those people and

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and senate and congress and scientists

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you know i mean look at eric weinstein

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he's like tripping he's totally tripping

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out and that's how people should be

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acting like this is real you know so

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like elizondo said before you know you

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can't give like a seven course meal

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in a one meal sitting i think we're

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witnessing kind of this uh global

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epiphany of the uap reality and i

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i do think that when people realize this

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is a completely genuine topic it's

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ongoing

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indications of that it's not just like

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just these sightings you know first of

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radar is physical evidence i'm sure they

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have sonar the photographs are type of

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physical evidence you know you have

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possible retrieve materials which um

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i think are genuine um you know again

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that's where you're getting into the

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classified thing right how much of that

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is classified how much of that will

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proprietary military uh interest um

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that's just you know the way things work

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everybody really from every field look

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at this as a real thing

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people are going to push for more i

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think and that's what we need um so i

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dance on that kind of thing

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for for a while to come yeah i agree

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completely man i mean

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there's still a lot of people or there

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seems to be these two sides still the

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the kind of the big proponents who are

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behind it all who are behind lou and

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chris mellon etc and then are still the

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people out in the other side of things

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that still think their shills for the

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government and

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you know they have an agenda or a

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narrative that they're trying to push so

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just see that continuing

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for the foreseeable the way things are

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that it's a good thing what's happening

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and that they are playing an important

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role so i mean lou's just announced i

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think it was today that he's got this

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book deal and you know i've already seen

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it going crazy on instagram and twitter

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and apparently it's going crazy on

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i'm dude i'm so psyched honestly i i had

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a feeling it was coming but i'm thinking

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like maybe like 10 years down the line

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it was gonna come the fact that it's

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now given obviously if he's gonna write

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a book it has to be

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reviewed by some kind of intelligence

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agency and they have to say this is okay

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this is okay or to some extent i know a

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lot of like former

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um cia and intelligence people that when

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they put out a book and stuff it has to

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be reviewed yeah um

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now there might be a way he can do that

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reviewed by them but he knows the rules

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and he's kind of gambling on his own but

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again he's got danny sheehan to kind of

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look over the legal stuff

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i think it's going to be a big

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revelation i think in that book we're

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going to hear some new names maybe you

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know and this is just my own speculation

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like you know key people that you know

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or he'll probably say hey listen i'm

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putting this book out can i mention you

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people he didn't mention before because

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it could well be and i mean it says on

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the in the article that sort of dropped

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today that it's going to

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reveal shocking details now

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a lot of people have obviously jumped on

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that thinking it's going to reveal

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aliens or something huge like that

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that's not what that's certainly not

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what it is what it's doing but it might

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yeah it might still push the ball

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slightly further down the road and give

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and things like that more so than

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aliens or you know something like that

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and again it's another kind of part of

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this waterfall or like stampede right

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that's it's gonna

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spread awareness it's going to get a lot

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of exposure it's harper collins it's a

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major publisher it's going to be on

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you know we you know we we assume you

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know we're in the ufo community we see

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louie lozando on fox in fact we get

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prepared to go watch it when he's on you

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know yeah we still got to remember that

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60 or 70 percent of the public even

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though it's been in the news and

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they don't really even know about atip

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yet you know that's still

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like people are still learning about

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atip and louis lozando you know and when

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i'm around and at work or wherever i am

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you know i end up talking about the

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and there's still people i run into

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they're like oh really wow you know they

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you know sometimes it takes a personal

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affiliation for them to to really

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take the information more seriously um

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so it's i think there's you know there's

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gonna be another media push when his

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book comes out and

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that's a good thing it's a good thing

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and again i think there'll be some

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details in there that we haven't heard

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before i'm sure that

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yeah totally man and then also we had

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lou was over in san marino for the past

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few days for the uh ufo world symposium

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uh max did those two live interviews

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with him which were fantastic and then

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he mentioned this

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this new ai system that's going to be

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available to everyone by the end of the

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year that can monitor videos to see if

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they're real or or not and that sounded

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incredible but i think hadn't we heard

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something about that coming out of ttsa

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uh i think called scout do you know much

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this

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jacques valee you know proposed the idea

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of

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using artificial intelligence to assist

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with the uap study in different formats

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so this has been kind of a long thing

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coming

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um

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i know

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um

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scout was the ttsa version and then we

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all saw laura lozano wearing that hat

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that said phenom

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um maybe there's something to do with

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that i'm not i really don't know but

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i think again that's that's another kind

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of one of these things right where

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people are gonna be like

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okay well now we have civilians

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collecting intelligence data

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for

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going to right yeah so

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i could see where that that red flag is

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going to be raised and people are going

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to be concerned about that

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um

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i i do think it is a good thing

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ultimately because the the more data

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um again that i'm assuming that

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that the the information is going to be

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publicly available somehow or some way

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so it's not just gonna all disappear

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into

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um you know some kind of database i hope

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um i hope that you know again if there's

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like a good

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uh uap video that comes from there

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and it's analyzed it will be publicly

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posted and said you know this system

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couldn't track out what it was and uh

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this is a true unknown so it's true

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identified

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and that

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will also help educate the public and on

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how to kind of like better track

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and and how to better identify you know

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true anomalies

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you know yeah yeah sorry um i hope that

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when it drops and it's available to

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everyone that they've thought ahead

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because they know that if we

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if we the users who are going to be you

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know accessing and pushing forward the

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data if we don't know where it's going

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then no they know that it's going to

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kick off with conspiracies and theories

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and people really not happy because like

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you said it could just end up in some

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database that we don't know about i'd

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like to think they will release

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the full transparency on what it's doing

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where it's going

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right yeah something along those lines

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and um

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yeah again i mean people are going to be

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less encouraged to use it i mean if they

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they have they have a lot to gain if

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there's transparency you know if you had

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like say every ce5 or contact working

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group

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using this

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um doing some kind of ce5 method or or

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heists you know human initiated contact

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event method

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trying to track anomalies that's you

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know that's like

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the that's the uh the diamond in the

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rough really

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obviously there's even with that there's

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a lot of misidentifications but i think

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in in my opinion obviously i'm a

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proponent of c5

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or heist or

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cognitive human interface

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um no you're gonna

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that's that's definitely something

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you're gonna want to experiment with

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yeah totally so i'm just gonna just just

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i just saw a comment as i looked and

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it's uh for my friend nigel hello nigel

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he's a little late catching up but he's

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put nice lab you have there talking

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about this this is actually tony stark

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stark industries yeah oh i should have

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picked that up i did it just for you bro

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it was like you had you and and lou was

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like you got tony stark you get the hulk

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and max is like totally a spinning image

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of jean-claude van damme

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you know in his best days

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uh

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so that is awesome man i love it man

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yeah just quick shout out that's uap

385
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disclosure wilfred thank you so much for

386
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the five euros just for all your hard

387
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work so appreciate it all goes back into

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the channel so you know it's it's not

389
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just for me to to fritter away frivolo

390
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frivolously so thank you so much um

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so just sticking with the the world ufo

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symposium in san marino there's been a

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lot of talk about it

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actually falling under the united

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nations in the future so that it can get

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more countries together for these kind

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of conferences and stuff and really

398
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bring the whole uap subject away from

399
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the u.s and from the pentagon and dod

400
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and more into european initiative do you

401
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think that's

402
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going to help maybe sway the us a bit

403
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more or what do you think it's going to

404
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going to achieve

405
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yeah i think any kind of pressure is

406
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good and i you know i think that

407
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the as far as the us i think they're

408
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kind of they see the writing on the wall

409
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and they're probably going to want to

410
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get ahead of things

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um

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i do think it is good yeah i mean the

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europeans look you had the the french

414
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you had the kameta report yeah you know

415
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the result in the report and and leslie

416
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keane you know she really helped kind of

417
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include that in her book and and made it

418
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very well known and you know we know

419
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jacques villa was part of japan

420
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and he was helping the cnes in in france

421
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the the french nasa

422
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um to kind of pursue the uap issue

423
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and um so i think that kind of pressure

424
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is good and i know people

425
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are going to jump up and assume like oh

426
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you know vinnie vinnie and james they're

427
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new they don't they don't know that

428
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there was talked with at the u.n with uh

429
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uh ufos before in the 70s yes we do we

430
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do you know

431
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um

432
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of course we do uh you know uh lee

433
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spiegel jacques bellay

434
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the whole uh thing you know they're

435
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having talks even um you know dr steven

436
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greer was talking to people in the un

437
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uh about the ufo subject in the 90s too

438
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there was interest it got squashed

439
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um

440
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i mean i can understand people thinking

441
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that well it's happened a few times in

442
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the past why is it going to work this

443
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time exactly it doesn't work like that

444
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we've got it you know it's a whole new

445
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era there's a whole new

446
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we're in a new place completely within

447
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the subject so

448
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yeah sorry to carry on

449
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yeah you know exactly that's we're i

450
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mean it's clearly

451
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things are different now um now i know

452
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yeah it's not like this is going to be

453
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the answer to our prayers you know this

454
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is a living

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process

456
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so we're literally seeing it unfold

457
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right before our eyes and nobody knows

458
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what's going to happen

459
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and

460
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i'm optimistic um

461
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in the sense

462
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that

463
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you know even if they're gonna say this

464
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is gonna be classified

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and this information is being withheld

466
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there's a clear we have more information

467
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than we did before um it might be

468
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limited

469
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but again we're going to have more

470
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people pushing for transparency at least

471
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on what is available

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and you know maybe

473
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france or or

474
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you know uk or other

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other countries and divisions

476
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will be more forthcoming with their data

477
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and say you know

478
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more is coming out about this

479
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so we'll put out what we have you know

480
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there was there was a small push like

481
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that after this after the disclosure

482
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project happened so after the disclosure

483
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props happened a lot of countries

484
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started releasing some of their their

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files

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like um

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england did a release we know that yeah

488
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um

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disappeared somehow

490
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of course

491
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um but and that's a very interesting and

492
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i think important case historically and

493
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i think

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talking about materials from rental shim

495
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samples

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so

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i think we're going to see another kind

498
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of push like that but again this time

499
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we're we're really in in uncharted

500
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territory this time yeah um

501
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and

502
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i think

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there's potent you know and i'm not

504
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saying all people should all just be

505
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whistleblowers and throw their careers

506
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away but i think that we're going to see

507
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more people be coming forward and i

508
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think there there is a possibility for

509
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another kind of like louis lozando

510
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person to come forward right yeah

511
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there's

512
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it's it only opens the door for more

513
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possibilities

514
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um so it doesn't have to necessarily

515
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meet

516
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uh every ufo

517
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researcher's expectations and you know

518
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we you know it's like take what you can

519
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get you know this is a victory so take

520
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it um

521
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because it you know

522
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there's progress coming from it and you

523
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know it's a lot of people have this all

524
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or nothing mentality and it's like

525
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you're not going to get very far with

526
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that and you know we can see that how

527
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it's been the last 70 years look

528
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you know what lou and chris has have

529
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been doing

530
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louis lozano christopher mellon and the

531
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small army probably behind them helping

532
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them in whatever way they can

533
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um you know people behind the scenes in

534
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office and out of office and you know

535
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wherever and intelligence

536
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uh in contractors

537
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um

538
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it's we can definitely see in in the

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four years

540
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since they've really said let's do this

541
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it's you know we've seen more change

542
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than we have in 80 years

543
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so

544
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you know

545
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not that like and even you don't have to

546
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again it doesn't have to be all or

547
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nothing or all these extremes you don't

548
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have to say let's just blindly follow

549
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these people that's not what it's about

550
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and nobody's advising that anybody do

551
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that

552
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you know

553
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um

554
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but it's clear that there there's more

555
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um transparency and progress

556
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um so

557
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that's a good thing yeah definitely man

558
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there's a couple of things that i pulled

559
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out of the um

560
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that small part of the authorization act

561
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i think hr 4350 or whatever it's called

562
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the two big things well the first one is

563
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the fact that they're talking about

564
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biological effects

565
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openly now like you know that was a sick

566
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:13,280
observable that's huge i mean we've had

567
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:14,640
obviously had lou talk about in the past

568
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,160
but he goes back people like kit green

569
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:18,720
have talked about it i mean that opens

570
00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,799
it up to so many experiences and things

571
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:22,559
like that so it's not just military

572
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:23,760
anymore

573
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:26,160
i i'd speculate and i could just be

574
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:28,640
speculating obviously that uh he's done

575
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,960
more than talk about it

576
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:32,880
right i mean people like that may have

577
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,000
actually

578
00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:36,480
firsthand worked on it absolutely you

579
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,000
know and that's you know again that's

580
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,480
that's physical data that's like this is

581
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,880
real kind of stuff you know and i i i

582
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:46,080
think that

583
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:46,880
um

584
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,120
again stuff like that has to sink in for

585
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:51,760
some people i mean

586
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,559
that's

587
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:54,240
you know how how much more real can i

588
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,840
get we're talking about physical effects

589
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:57,760
biological effects this is

590
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,000
something physically real

591
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:02,240
um that's not from

592
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,760
a kind of refraction in a lens or a bird

593
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:07,039
right absolutely you're not going to get

594
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:08,640
this kind of biological effect from a

595
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,590
no offense to anybody but you know just

596
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,520
putting it in perspective no no fully

597
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,039
with you man i'm sure everyone else is

598
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,200
and that's what really stood out for me

599
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:20,960
i mean yeah just when you sit and think

600
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,480
about it you know because these people i

601
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,799
mean so many people in historic cases

602
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:26,480
have had

603
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:29,360
physical visible effects after

604
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:31,919
encounters with with ufos and uab

605
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,640
well and john burroughs you know jim

606
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,720
pennington too but john burroughs is

607
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:38,640
documented you know i mean his his

608
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:41,360
medical records are classified he had to

609
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,039
fight like hell

610
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,799
uh

611
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:46,480
didn't john mccain have to step in and

612
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,280
help him out yeah that's to for this

613
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,919
man's medical records to save his life

614
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,960
um

615
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:54,159
you know and

616
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,760
he was able to get the help thankfully

617
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,520
and the advice and

618
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,600
and but you know again that was it was

619
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:01,760
classified so why you know

620
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:02,880
that's a

621
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:05,360
biological effect that you know affected

622
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:06,960
this man's life

623
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:08,320
and um

624
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:09,679
you know thankfully he was able to get

625
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,799
help because there was some very small

626
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,200
part of transparency

627
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:16,799
right so that

628
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,760
transparency helped people

629
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:21,280
um so that's an important thing there

630
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,640
could be other people having these

631
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:25,200
effects that could need help too

632
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,799
yeah totally man and then the other

633
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,240
thing that really stood out for me was

634
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,080
the fact that they are asking for all

635
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:32,080
information from the agencies from all

636
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,280
the three letter agencies and the

637
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,280
branches of military to provide all

638
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,280
information that they have

639
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,200
there's no time scale on it anymore so

640
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,039
that goes right back

641
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,960
you know in history

642
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,320
so anything that's not been provided

643
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,320
already to the uap task force has now

644
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,480
got to be provided either to the task

645
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:50,080
force now or the new office when it's

646
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:51,360
set up but

647
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:52,880
that's saying you know you've got to

648
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,159
give us what you've got so that could

649
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:56,320
include roswell all the big cases all

650
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:57,919
the things all the crash retrievals that

651
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:01,120
have been speculated on i mean

652
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:02,240
yeah

653
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,360
i think that's gonna be a tough one um

654
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,360
again that's you know where this whole

655
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:11,039
classified

656
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,559
issues gonna come in and um

657
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:16,960
you know fortunately we have people like

658
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:17,919
um

659
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:21,360
louis lozando and christopher mellon

660
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:22,320
um

661
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,760
eric dr davis and dr hal put off in

662
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,440
whatever

663
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,520
you know dr kit green

664
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:32,000
and others and in ways that they're

665
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,400
legally allowed to help and kind of say

666
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,960
hey you should probably look over there

667
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,799
you know like christopher mellon said

668
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,400
that dr eric davis

669
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,640
did you know yeah

670
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,000
they said you know you might want to

671
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:46,799
look here when he gave a um a briefing

672
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:49,520
to a defense agency in washington

673
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,840
and you know mel embedded that so

674
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,360
um ice

675
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:57,120
that's that's to me

676
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,320
um

677
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,559
the crown jewel

678
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,080
and also

679
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,240
one of the most difficult

680
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,960
uh dish issues that you're gonna

681
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,520
deal with you know and it's like

682
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,919
i mean that's you're taking on

683
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,840
uh you know the bull by the horns at

684
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:15,520
that point because

685
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:16,799
that's

686
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,000
you know if all that is true

687
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,640
you know are these

688
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,320
some of these program rogue or some of

689
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,400
them illegal or some people you know

690
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,559
worried about their life to

691
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:31,520
release any of this information

692
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,799
that's when you're getting into real

693
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:34,240
muddy waters

694
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,789
you know because i

695
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,640
in part again even if you just take

696
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,120
somebody like rick doty right

697
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:45,440
uh obviously even with everything going

698
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,159
on the u.s air force they don't really

699
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,559
want to talk about that right now they

700
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:52,080
don't want to address that

701
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,120
and that's that's not even like

702
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,960
that's not even like a jim forest all

703
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,880
kind of thing right like are we going to

704
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,880
talk about jim forrest all then

705
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:02,480
you know this

706
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:03,520
uh

707
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:07,590
that's just really deep and heavy stuff

708
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,400
man

709
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,720
um and i i know people want to say you

710
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:13,440
know take take the victories you can get

711
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,480
um

712
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,799
but at some time we're gonna come to

713
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,600
that

714
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,240
crossroad where it's like we're gonna

715
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,360
actually have to address roswell

716
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,679
uh the real way and

717
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,919
i you know even even if it was what

718
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:29,520
people speculated

719
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,480
um

720
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,640
which i don't agree with uh

721
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:35,120
in uh annie jacobson's book

722
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:36,240
i mean

723
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:39,360
even if that was real like that's insane

724
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:40,080
right

725
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,360
it is

726
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,200
that's even more insane

727
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,120
than than other beings crash landing

728
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,200
here i think you know yeah i like annie

729
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:49,360
jacobson's right her work when it comes

730
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,640
to area 51 and spy planes and stuff like

731
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:54,080
that but when she started touching upon

732
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,880
that

733
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,320
other stuff i was just like i wasn't

734
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,799
convinced at all at all not at all and i

735
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,480
understand yeah you're a reporter you

736
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,480
get a scoop you think you got the inside

737
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:03,919
story now

738
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,200
and it's it's you know seductive in a

739
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,960
way it's compelling it's like oh wow i

740
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,200
never thought it could be this and so

741
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:12,880
it kind of like is

742
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,039
you you know it's an attractive idea in

743
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:18,080
a sense to say i i've solved it now

744
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,039
right

745
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,960
um

746
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,640
and you know

747
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:25,600
i i just to me that that is

748
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:26,559
the

749
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,360
i've heard on that um

750
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,080
i again just just

751
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,240
all the witnesses you know it's not not

752
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:39,200
even uh just the materials but the

753
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,840
the number of people that said that they

754
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,679
saw uh the bodies and stuff i you know i

755
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,640
don't think that they're going to be

756
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:47,200
that confused at what they saw

757
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:48,240
um

758
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:49,600
and again

759
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,039
the way that the material was sent over

760
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,480
uh i i don't think that um

761
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,240
that that story fits

762
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,400
no not at all and i mean as well there's

763
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,080
so many other things similar to roswell

764
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,720
that we only really hear little

765
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:06,640
chunks of you know like archaeological

766
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,559
digs where they've recovered craft or

767
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,720
seriously large pieces of debris

768
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,799
wherever that's buried hopefully that is

769
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,039
something that is going to be

770
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,960
required to be reported to to the task

771
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:20,640
force or the office now obviously

772
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:21,919
there's going to be major pushback and

773
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,840
stonewalling by some of these agencies

774
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:26,000
and departments not that's not

775
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,720
surprising but you know maybe we've seen

776
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:31,200
the inspector general jumping into back

777
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,960
cases up and back

778
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,960
investigations and evaluations into the

779
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,960
way these things are happening so i

780
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,880
still feel like these things can't be

781
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,720
hidden forever unless they're buried in

782
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:42,159
some private

783
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,760
area that's away from government where

784
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,600
there's no oversight and no foia i mean

785
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,120
what do you think

786
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:49,440
you know lucky mine right yeah i mean

787
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,120
and that's one of the big issues and the

788
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,600
um the crash retrieval again that's an

789
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,440
international thing so

790
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:56,960
you know as

791
00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:59,840
you know allied countries you know we'd

792
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,400
be have to be concerned about

793
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:04,720
somebody getting ahead of us right

794
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,080
um and if

795
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,240
if i was an allied country

796
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,679
you know running one or whatever

797
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:13,679
involved and that kind of thing and i

798
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:17,120
wanted to recruit more people you know

799
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,320
there's eventually a point where you

800
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,039
have to kind of be more open about it

801
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:23,440
right because

802
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,559
that was one of the big issues with atip

803
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,200
uh you know how put off in a lecture he

804
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,840
gave in i think 2019

805
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:34,320
um he said that you know the biggest

806
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:35,279
threat

807
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,240
from

808
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,240
the a-tip perspective

809
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,640
was not that we're being invaded by some

810
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:42,320
kind of unknown intelligence that wasn't

811
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,600
even the most

812
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,880
um

813
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,440
threatening aspect that the program

814
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,200
atip and osap was looking into the

815
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,720
biggest threat

816
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:53,440
that um they were looking into

817
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,320
were

818
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,240
adversary countries developing this

819
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,679
technology

820
00:28:01,269 --> 00:28:00,159
uh faster than us within a 50-year

821
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,279
period

822
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,919
so um

823
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:05,600
you know that has to be addressed in

824
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,520
some way and i you know i don't know

825
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,679
if uh the best way to do that is just

826
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,200
for them to keep this whole thing buried

827
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:15,360
or maybe partially why that they think

828
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,399
that you know

829
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,480
getting this out there is better and

830
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,960
even people like louis lozando

831
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,360
you know they were trying to get um

832
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,520
academics and mainstream scientists

833
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:27,440
involved in a limited capacity at the

834
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:28,640
end of a tip

835
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,440
yeah

836
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,200
and they were blocked from that and i

837
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,120
think that that's genuinely what they

838
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,440
want for the welfare

839
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:36,880
of um

840
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,840
you know of our countries at least right

841
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,480
um saying like you know you can't just

842
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,480
silo these things and hide them away

843
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,320
forever because we're at a point now

844
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:48,000
where it's possibly that these other

845
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:49,360
countries are just getting way far ahead

846
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,480
of us and

847
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,640
maybe some of the stuff that that is

848
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:55,440
being spotted is their reverse engineer

849
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,399
tech

850
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,279
right of course could be

851
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,960
you know got to keep it on the table not

852
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:03,039
all of it some of it you know yeah so i

853
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,919
mean

854
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,840
i look at some of some of these drone

855
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,360
swarms right

856
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:09,600
and that's impressive man that is you

857
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,320
know

858
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:11,919
and it's could some of that be from

859
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,480
reverse engineer tech possibly you know

860
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,880
why not yeah um

861
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,720
you know just like the speculated corso

862
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,880
stuff maybe some stuff we see on that in

863
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,880
our everyday life is actually

864
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,480
uh inspired

865
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,559
maybe it's not actually genuinely

866
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,960
reverse engineered 100 but maybe we saw

867
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,640
something or some kind of capability and

868
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,880
we're like let's try to do that with our

869
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,200
raw materials whatever our understanding

870
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,200
of tech technology and see what we can

871
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,200
do that simulates that

872
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,399
yeah absolutely man you've got to keep

873
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,520
everything like that on the table

874
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,360
because you just we just don't know and

875
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:45,039
that's what i worry about is when you

876
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,320
know i hear someone saying that they

877
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,760
know something and it's not this and

878
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,440
it's not that it's like well

879
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,360
sorry but you don't and

880
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,799
you know i'd hate to ever get stuck in

881
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,120
that kind of place

882
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:57,039
in staven thank you for the ten dollars

883
00:30:00,909 --> 00:29:58,640
vinnie and james thank you for keeping

884
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:00,919
us informed thoughts on the daa section

885
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,919
1652 defining uap as objects

886
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:06,000
unidentified by pilots and air crews

887
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:06,960
only

888
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:10,640
not the duties or salas of the world um

889
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:13,440
section 1652 i cannot recall off top of

890
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,200
my head but as far as uap being objects

891
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,520
or unidentified by pilots and air crews

892
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,360
that's possibly specifically just

893
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,039
looking at the kind of stuff that went

894
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,200
into the ua ptf report where they only

895
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:27,440
looked at military cases from the past

896
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,240
sort of

897
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,919
well only for the past few years yeah

898
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,200
they touched on the nimitz but i think

899
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,520
every everything else was pretty much

900
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,720
yeah more recent last few years so

901
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:37,760
um

902
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,159
that specific section probably is that's

903
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,000
what it's defining it's not defining the

904
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,080
entire uap subject as only things seen

905
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:46,000
by pilots and air crews i assume that's

906
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,440
what your question is what do you think

907
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,520
james

908
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,559
yeah i mean um it would make sense that

909
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,320
um

910
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,760
that

911
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:58,080
i mean and it's not like oh you know

912
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,519
they don't want to go back from that i

913
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,399
mean even as the the uap task force

914
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,440
you want to present um

915
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,360
information that you have

916
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,159
um cooperating data for so

917
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,840
even for the uap test for us it's not

918
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,960
even like oh they're trying to pull a

919
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,880
smart one on us or a quick one on us by

920
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:15,840
only

921
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,640
doing um you know 2004 and on they have

922
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,399
a lot more data

923
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,600
that is

924
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,519
they can make a stronger case for and

925
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,880
which they did

926
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,840
because

927
00:31:31,870 --> 00:31:27,760
they they put together

928
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,880
like a whole you know report where

929
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:33,519
143

930
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,480
were unidentified out of 144 cases so

931
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:38,159
they made a damn strong point so what

932
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,440
they did

933
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,440
is obviously working and you know again

934
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,640
these are people

935
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,720
that are working on the task force

936
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,440
uh probably some of them that lou knows

937
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:49,600
or has even worked with

938
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:50,399
um

939
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,519
so i think they're they're doing what's

940
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,600
in the best interest for the continued

941
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,919
uh the program to continue which now we

942
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,640
know is is looking really good

943
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:02,720
yeah totally man so i don't yeah i don't

944
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,120
think it's addressing the entire

945
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,960
history and

946
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:08,720
yeah

947
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:12,000
hope that is kind of what your question

948
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:13,279
meant um

949
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,519
yeah thank you for the ten dollars um

950
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,120
now one thing

951
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:18,960
that is continuously talks about and

952
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,440
even recently it's still ongoing is the

953
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:24,159
wilson davis notes the wilson you know

954
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,760
admiral wilson memos whatever you want

955
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:27,600
to call them now

956
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,799
they seem to

957
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,200
come and go the conversations are either

958
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,880
on really big or they just die for a

959
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,640
while but at the moment people are

960
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,960
really still pushing it from both sides

961
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,399
um

962
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:40,240
have you i mean we mentioned it last

963
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,600
time when you came on a couple of months

964
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,360
ago have you

965
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:45,440
looked at them again or done anything on

966
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,990
yeah i mean there's there's there's

967
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,519
there's so much information on there i

968
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,880
mean that's again that's a whole show

969
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,559
benny

970
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,640
that's that's an entire show i mean

971
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:01,120
honestly you should do you could do

972
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,480
easily

973
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,720
uh disclosure team

974
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:07,039
wilson davis week

975
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,880
uh no like

976
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:10,399
three hours a day

977
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,279
um

978
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,360
it's it's a it's uh

979
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,720
i mean

980
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,000
there's so much

981
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:18,559
information

982
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,360
there that i in my opinion supports

983
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:23,440
that the meeting between

984
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,080
dr davis and and

985
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,279
former vice admiral tom wilson occurred

986
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:31,360
uh and the conversation that they had

987
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,559
was had

988
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:34,000
um

989
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,799
that

990
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,840
i mean

991
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,600
if all those

992
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:39,519
information points

993
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,679
um are just random it would be absurd

994
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,039
you know i'm and there's so many

995
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,120
different levels to it you know yeah

996
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:48,640
you have

997
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,519
um

998
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,360
dr edgar mitchell

999
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:53,600
right the six man to walk on the moon

1000
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,880
uh proponent for the disclosure project

1001
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,360
um in in 2010

1002
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,080
so you're talking about nine years

1003
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,000
eight or nine years before the the

1004
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,960
documents leaked talking about a friend

1005
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,240
of his

1006
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,960
um that's still working in the kind of

1007
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:12,960
in these programs

1008
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:16,079
meet with a vice admiral in las vegas i

1009
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,119
mean that's

1010
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:20,000
and again that's in 2010 that edgar

1011
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,440
mestral said this in two different

1012
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:22,800
interviews

1013
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,480
back to back h plus magazine and then uh

1014
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,839
um

1015
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,919
a gentleman named twitchell i forget the

1016
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,000
the name of his radio program

1017
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,200
um so back to back those months at ed

1018
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:37,440
mitch uh yeah dr edgar mitchell talking

1019
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,240
about

1020
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,520
uh uh somebody who knew that worked in

1021
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,919
programs for the us government with

1022
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:45,440
security clearance

1023
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,720
uh meeting with a an admiral

1024
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,040
in las vegas to talk about crash

1025
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:53,200
retrievals right and and these kind of

1026
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,000
things

1027
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,000
so that's that

1028
00:35:03,430 --> 00:34:59,119
then in 2006 before that right so we're

1029
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:03,440
talking like 15 years before the notes

1030
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,480
surface

1031
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,320
yeah um

1032
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,720
dr i mean uh

1033
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:11,280
richard dolan has shown

1034
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,320
uh the two pages of the notes

1035
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,400
by somebody in needs

1036
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:18,480
right and these are nids these are ned's

1037
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:19,359
notes

1038
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,640
right

1039
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,520
so

1040
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:24,160
the only other alternative

1041
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,119
um

1042
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:26,720
that you have when when you're talking

1043
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,960
about that point specifically right even

1044
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:30,240
if you want to say it's a movie script

1045
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,359
right

1046
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,640
um

1047
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,839
which i know

1048
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,280
i think john greenwald had said that's

1049
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,760
kind of like a half joke thing yeah uh

1050
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,040
it's kind of an

1051
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,520
interesting idea to propose but he's not

1052
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,040
completely saying that's exactly what

1053
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,119
happened um

1054
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:46,880
so the only other alternative though is

1055
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:50,000
that one of these nids members

1056
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:50,960
had

1057
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:54,000
fake documents from a ned's database and

1058
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,599
was showing it to a researcher to

1059
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:57,119
misinform them that's the only other

1060
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:58,720
alternative you have

1061
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,400
you know because that mid person that

1062
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,640
got it from the ned's database knows

1063
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,960
where the report came from

1064
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:06,880
yeah there's also talk of greer being a

1065
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,040
bit of a

1066
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:11,760
a loose cannon even back then

1067
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,800
and some of the steps in this

1068
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,560
conversation there's a possibility that

1069
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:16,960
it could pinpoint greer as either lying

1070
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:20,160
or spreading something false but i mean

1071
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,520
no because there's too many witnesses

1072
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,119
that were there

1073
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:25,599
again dr edgar mitchell was at the

1074
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,560
meeting

1075
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,000
with um

1076
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,119
the original meeting in 97 not the 2002

1077
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:33,599
meeting between eric davis and thomas

1078
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,400
wilson but in 1997

1079
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,480
commander will miller

1080
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,480
and dr ed mitchell

1081
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,480
and dr stephen greer

1082
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:44,000
had the meeting

1083
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,119
with um

1084
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,760
vice admiral tom wilson in the pentagon

1085
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,839
and he was canceling all the meetings

1086
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,760
that were coming up he and

1087
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,480
you know again people

1088
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,880
are saying that you know dr greer was

1089
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,560
exaggerating dr griffin talked about

1090
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,920
that meeting

1091
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:01,839
uh for several years he wouldn't even

1092
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,320
say that he met with tom wilson

1093
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,400
that only came out in his book in truth

1094
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,200
urban knowledge and i believe 2007

1095
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,359
uh 2007-2008

1096
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,440
that he he when he wrote the book he put

1097
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,880
tom wilson's name

1098
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,760
uh

1099
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:18,160
but before that nobody had mentioned um

1100
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,359
tom wilson

1101
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,400
so that meeting in 97 happens and you

1102
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,000
know will miller has confirmed that

1103
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,320
steven greer has confirmed that

1104
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:28,160
um

1105
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,599
ed mitchell

1106
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,200
uh

1107
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,680
he he never mentioned tom wilson's name

1108
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,440
but he said the admiral that we met with

1109
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,520
and stephen greer and he confirmed that

1110
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,680
that meeting

1111
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,119
so

1112
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,079
i can see people saying well

1113
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:46,960
um you know it only helps greer if he

1114
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:49,599
kind of promotes that but i i would say

1115
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,480
that

1116
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,960
greer completely believes it because he

1117
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:54,800
was there for that meeting

1118
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:58,720
and when when tom wilson got back to

1119
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:02,000
um ed mitchell and and dr greer and will

1120
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,599
miller shortly after they had that

1121
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,960
meeting

1122
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,720
which i believe did happen

1123
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,320
again you have

1124
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,440
dr edgar mitchell for years

1125
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,119
talking about that

1126
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:14,960
in different interviews on larry king

1127
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,119
and and all over the place talking about

1128
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,880
how he met with the admiral

1129
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,079
and uh

1130
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,079
tried to find out these programs and got

1131
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,640
blocked yeah now you know of course tom

1132
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,839
wilson is gonna deny that um

1133
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,000
i mean there's no reason

1134
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:31,760
it doesn't help him in any way to admit

1135
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,880
that no and i think he even said

1136
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,800
sorry i think did he say something like

1137
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,880
if it happened i wouldn't say anyway so

1138
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,160
he really

1139
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,079
threw it out there that

1140
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,440
you're not going to find out from me

1141
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,880
basically

1142
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,720
yeah yeah and you know i think he still

1143
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,640
works in private contracting and

1144
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:50,160
probably still maintains security

1145
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,200
clearance

1146
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,119
um

1147
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,520
yeah tom tom wilson and again you know

1148
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:57,520
it's like you can't really fault this

1149
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,880
guy if he really jumped if he really

1150
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,640
he probably himself was like this is

1151
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,240
nonsense and when he looked into if he

1152
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:05,839
looked into it and found out it's real

1153
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,119
was probably shocked right like

1154
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,520
and probably still patriotic and saying

1155
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:13,280
you know we gotta you know

1156
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,119
why would he want to expose that program

1157
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:17,280
to the world for for no good reason

1158
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,160
right

1159
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,520
if if he's not into the subject and

1160
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,599
you know

1161
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,550
you have basically everybody else

1162
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,160
um

1163
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,400
saying that that the meeting basically

1164
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,680
did happen

1165
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,079
um

1166
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,000
you know uh the only the only thing we

1167
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,160
don't have is tom wilson on the record

1168
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,800
everything else um

1169
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,560
i would say the only the only other

1170
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:46,400
small bit of evidence

1171
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,040
that would seal the deal um and again

1172
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,280
even if we found it people are going to

1173
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,000
say oh no it's just a coincidence

1174
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,480
that if you could place eric davis and

1175
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:58,079
tom wilson

1176
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,119
um in las vegas on that day

1177
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,599
2002 is that that was that one wasn't it

1178
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,599
yeah yeah um

1179
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,040
and i mean how are you going to do that

1180
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,720
right it's

1181
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,680
you know

1182
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,880
really yeah

1183
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,880
um

1184
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,079
but again

1185
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,560
there's there's other again uh

1186
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,119
brit britton wonderland yeah uh

1187
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:21,760
inference she also you know dug up some

1188
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,560
really interesting information that says

1189
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,319
hey listen you know

1190
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,160
if you look at these notes

1191
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:29,680
there's

1192
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:33,119
fabricated these notes and it's a bunch

1193
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,319
of nonsense

1194
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,319
there's a lot of other

1195
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,880
information in that notes that they make

1196
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,720
sense and they check out right like the

1197
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,240
bigoted list and

1198
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,040
and the committees and stuff and if they

1199
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:47,040
were going to forge something like that

1200
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,720
like for a movie script why would you

1201
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,640
use real names

1202
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,960
people that maintain security clearances

1203
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,200
why would you do that

1204
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,560
you know if

1205
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,480
people who make story scripts they don't

1206
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,400
use real people's names and stuff they

1207
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,720
make up characters you know even if it's

1208
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,800
portraying a character or someone

1209
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:06,800
they're not going to put

1210
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,920
vice admiral tom wilson

1211
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,960
you know and uh dr eric davis

1212
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,359
uh you know very specific people and oak

1213
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:17,200
shannon like who nobody knows who that

1214
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,480
guy is

1215
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:20,880
nobody knew the connect the connection

1216
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,760
between oak and dr davis and that that's

1217
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,960
how the meeting

1218
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,920
you know

1219
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:28,160
uh was set up nobody would have known

1220
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:29,200
that

1221
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,079
you know

1222
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,839
and that really only came out after the

1223
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,000
fact after the notes that oak was like

1224
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,000
oh yeah i know these guys how would

1225
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,440
anybody have known that they would have

1226
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:39,359
known each other at all so

1227
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:40,880
there's there's so many there's so much

1228
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,520
information in there like that that's

1229
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:45,200
again it just

1230
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,839
if you would have tried to put that

1231
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,880
together you'd have to have inside

1232
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,480
people and why would inside people do

1233
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,640
that right yeah no you're right man

1234
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,920
thanks for touching on it again it's

1235
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,960
just going to be one of those things

1236
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,880
that's just going to continue to bounce

1237
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,640
back and forth i think for for a long

1238
00:42:01,510 --> 00:42:00,079
time that i don't see any end to it at

1239
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:01,520
the moment so

1240
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,240
yeah

1241
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,000
you know we could just go on and on and

1242
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,960
on and still not get anywhere

1243
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:08,000
yeah

1244
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,240
gonna say some people um

1245
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:14,240
will believe it no matter what and and

1246
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,200
others

1247
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,960
you know they they won't believe it no

1248
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,599
matter what yeah absolutely that's

1249
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,440
that's uh we find that a lot in this

1250
00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:23,440
subject unfortunately but hey each to

1251
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,750
their own um

1252
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,880
[Music]

1253
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,280
we recently joined sean rash witness

1254
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,440
citizen on his channel to talk about

1255
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:34,000
ross coulthard's book which you know i

1256
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:35,520
still think is one of the best books

1257
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,960
i've read in a very long time um

1258
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,720
now again ross is someone that did this

1259
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,960
sort of media blitz and podcast blitz

1260
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,640
for a while and he's gone a little bit

1261
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:46,240
quiet again um

1262
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,359
so yeah what do you think is going on

1263
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,720
there because i have heard rumors that

1264
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,160
he's coming back

1265
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,839
into the scene in a few weeks time with

1266
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,000
some new information what do you think

1267
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:56,480
yeah well yeah he's going to be on that

1268
00:43:02,870 --> 00:42:59,680
ufo podcast with andy and i think dan

1269
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:02,880
signal yeah um and i'm sure

1270
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,079
i bet he has new stuff the dude the guy

1271
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,720
number one is a phenom i think um in

1272
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:11,440
plain sight is is one of the

1273
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,319
kind of greatest um centerpiece ufo

1274
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:16,800
books since leslie kane's book

1275
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,599
um i think it's really that big for the

1276
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:22,079
subject especially for the times

1277
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,960
and

1278
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,720
i mean the guy is not pulling any

1279
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,960
punches he's going straight for the

1280
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,720
technology stuff

1281
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,720
straight for the crash retrievals the

1282
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,480
that's the i mean that's the big story

1283
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,720
here you know that that's

1284
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:36,560
the the crown jewel

1285
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:37,440
um

1286
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:38,480
so

1287
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,030
he

1288
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,839
had made a lot of connections

1289
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,920
you know putting that book together

1290
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,119
and

1291
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,040
after it came out i'm sure he only had

1292
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,960
more and more people coming to reach out

1293
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:55,040
to him and so

1294
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,880
i'm sure he has new information i'm sure

1295
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,560
he's had information the whole time that

1296
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,800
he just hasn't had the chance to prepare

1297
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,440
in the the right way yeah you know he

1298
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,200
mentioned that he has other nids

1299
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,359
documents that came from

1300
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,200
the eric davis

1301
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,400
or the um that dr edgar mitchell knits

1302
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,880
file which is where the

1303
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,960
that the wilson davis notes came from

1304
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,160
and that oh that's another that's

1305
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:20,000
another thing you know i'm sorry to go

1306
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:21,520
back to it but

1307
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:24,560
very relevant connected sure you know

1308
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,760
um

1309
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,200
dr davis

1310
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,960
gave me a no comment on the notes

1311
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:31,280
obviously and you know this is way

1312
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,640
before the notes

1313
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:34,160
like

1314
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:35,599
came out big

1315
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,480
um and but then when they finally did

1316
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,160
come out

1317
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:42,880
he gave me like an official no comment

1318
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,430
so that

1319
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,920
that uh wilson davis notes

1320
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,240
came with a few other documents that

1321
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,319
were released kind of with it

1322
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,640
um so one of them was the alien autopsy

1323
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,480
notes right

1324
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,079
and yeah that's that's a whole kind of

1325
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,880
controversy there nobody's saying

1326
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,720
that the alien autopsy video is real

1327
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:06,480
that's not what we're saying

1328
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,440
um

1329
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,400
what's important there is that

1330
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:12,960
dr eric davis gave me an official on the

1331
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:16,000
record conversation uh confirmation

1332
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,880
saying that those alien autopsy notes or

1333
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,119
uh you know memorandum and an email

1334
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:25,520
chain was authentic it was really from

1335
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,720
nids

1336
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,800
that the files were photocopied and he

1337
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,560
wasn't sure how that they got out

1338
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,720
because that was before they they traced

1339
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,480
it back to edgar mitchell

1340
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:36,880
and and uh ross kohl's book that the

1341
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,920
space man who had these files

1342
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,839
uh who were given

1343
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,880
um

1344
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,359
from dr edgar mitchell's family to this

1345
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,560
individual that was supposed to be

1346
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,240
entrusted with the files

1347
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,440
right um so if those

1348
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:53,760
if all those files and notes are real

1349
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:56,480
and confirmable on the record

1350
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,760
is this just

1351
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,359
are the eric davis

1352
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,160
uh the wilson davis notes the only

1353
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,079
all the other documents are real and can

1354
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,599
be vetted and the other one that that's

1355
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,359
the only fake one in there

1356
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:08,880
you know it doesn't make sense

1357
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:09,760
um

1358
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,000
russ coulthard's book in plain sight

1359
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,839
that individual was involved with the

1360
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:21,920
aerospace community

1361
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:24,560
and he had other files from

1362
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,520
from dr edgar mitchell's

1363
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,560
files yeah so i i know that ross

1364
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,560
coulthard said at some point he was

1365
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,839
going to release some of those knits

1366
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,960
files

1367
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,800
um so i think that those are going to be

1368
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,800
very interesting you know they might not

1369
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:39,920
be as

1370
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:41,920
you know wilson davis crash retrieval

1371
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,240
big but um i think he mentioned that the

1372
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:46,000
uaps mimicking

1373
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,800
uh

1374
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,440
earth or conventional technology

1375
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,680
uh they had a paper on that and maybe

1376
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,400
some other stuff so that's huge

1377
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,280
that that is and again and and all the

1378
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,839
subsequent data only adds stronger

1379
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:01,520
arguments to the wilson davis notes as

1380
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:04,560
well as kind of like uh cherry on top

1381
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,359
right

1382
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,680
you know they're awesome to have a you

1383
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:10,079
know a paper from an individual like dr

1384
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,680
davis come public

1385
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,160
uh talking about uap is awesome

1386
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,800
um and again there's there may be

1387
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:19,200
information in those papers that again

1388
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,720
you can kind of

1389
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,640
are leads for other

1390
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,640
stories right connections to other

1391
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,079
things right yeah yeah

1392
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,319
you know individuals people's places

1393
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:30,800
things right that kind of thing um there

1394
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:32,240
could be some interesting information in

1395
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,200
there

1396
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:36,000
and you know i'm sure that ross probably

1397
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,760
has a few trick up as a sleeve right i

1398
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:40,079
hope so i really do hope so i mean

1399
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,599
talking about that and relating it to

1400
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,960
the wilson it just i've got this huge

1401
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,240
wall in front of me right now and i just

1402
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,400
need that old-school string connecting

1403
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,319
picture thing because there's so many

1404
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:49,839
connections and

1405
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,559
i know that avenues it's incredible yeah

1406
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,559
it's so exciting though so yeah i'm

1407
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,400
looking forward to seeing what what ross

1408
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,640
does hopefully come out with um

1409
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,240
let's jump over to what you've been

1410
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:02,559
doing since we last spoke and maybe then

1411
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,480
what we you've got coming up because

1412
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,319
since we you last came on here you've

1413
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,160
spoken to richard dolan you spoke to

1414
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,079
joseph burks twice

1415
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,160
and danny sheehan and mark sims so just

1416
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,160
talk us through some of those interviews

1417
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,000
and if you've got anything you you

1418
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,559
really liked or memorable from them

1419
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:20,800
oh wow well you know

1420
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:27,349
in the in the uh the story of uh you

1421
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,400
know recent contact um you know contact

1422
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,400
with the ufo phenomenon over the last

1423
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,559
several decades

1424
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,319
dr joseph burks has been somebody who's

1425
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:38,079
been on the front lines

1426
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,359
so to speak

1427
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,359
in what what he called years ago the

1428
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,040
contact underground

1429
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,960
right so he's got a wealth of

1430
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,040
information that's important

1431
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:49,280
um

1432
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:50,319
so

1433
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,359
you know

1434
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:53,200
i i have him on for a reason i think

1435
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,079
it's important information historically

1436
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,760
um

1437
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,839
you know there's that the early stories

1438
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:01,760
of c seti in the early 1990s i think

1439
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,480
those are important historically

1440
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,960
and again um

1441
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,359
the contact phenomenon in general

1442
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:13,349
to me that's an incredibly important

1443
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:17,040
topic yeah and somebody like dr burks

1444
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:20,000
who has uh very keen insight and and

1445
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,359
experience

1446
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,240
um and has spoken to thousands of

1447
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,760
individuals

1448
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:27,599
over you know the last 30 years

1449
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,720
regarding that um you know i think

1450
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,040
there's there's a lot of um

1451
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,440
you know wealth in that information

1452
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:37,760
um so

1453
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:40,160
i'm gonna have him on several more times

1454
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,119
you know

1455
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,559
talking about some of the historical

1456
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,200
stuff and then some of the

1457
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,359
theoretical or speculative aspects of

1458
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,079
contact as well because again that's

1459
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,200
you know when you're talking about um

1460
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:55,440
you know ufos you kind of have

1461
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,240
uh

1462
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,800
ufo sightings over here well here i'm

1463
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,200
over here so over here

1464
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,880
and then kind of over here in the middle

1465
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:05,440
you have crash retrievals which

1466
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,480
are

1467
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:08,480
incredibly important and then towards

1468
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,200
the end of the line is it's like contact

1469
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:13,680
and i mean that by the contact is

1470
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,359
probably even the most um

1471
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,440
mysterious of all

1472
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,319
it's the most cutting edge

1473
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,440
um because you're not just talking about

1474
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:26,800
uh you know

1475
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,599
potential crafts you're talking about

1476
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:31,680
the living intelligence behind the ufo

1477
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,079
phenomenon and how it interacts with us

1478
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:35,839
yeah um

1479
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,480
so it's not an artifact it's it's you

1480
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,079
know it's like having a first-hand

1481
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,599
witness right

1482
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,680
one of these entities that's behind the

1483
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,359
ufo phenomenon

1484
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,119
or or maybe it's technology that it

1485
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,720
works through right

1486
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,319
um

1487
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,800
so i i think the the contact stuff is

1488
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,880
really important obviously i'm always

1489
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,400
involved in the contact and

1490
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,559
consciousness aspect of it

1491
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,960
um yeah

1492
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:01,680
so

1493
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,319
i

1494
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:03,520
have

1495
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,559
coming on soon

1496
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,440
wow for engaging the phenomenon and he

1497
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,720
he's going to touch on the remote

1498
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:13,119
viewing aspect of things

1499
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,920
um

1500
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,599
i'm going to try to get his opinion on

1501
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,440
some of the uh

1502
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,440
uap stuff i don't know how far he'll go

1503
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,520
but that always interesting but you know

1504
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,880
what's what's actually really

1505
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:24,160
interesting

1506
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:25,200
um

1507
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,400
is dean raiden was like or is like one

1508
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,240
of the head guys for

1509
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:31,680
um

1510
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,480
dr edgar mitchell's prior foundation

1511
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,880
called ions the institute for noetic

1512
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,880
sciences yeah yeah right which was

1513
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,880
exploring consciousness and dean raiden

1514
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,960
became i think like

1515
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,040
i don't like the director of research or

1516
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,720
like a very

1517
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,359
big title in that organization

1518
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,079
um so that's that's interesting

1519
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:54,160
and um

1520
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,800
wow that's good man yeah so

1521
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,480
but also uh

1522
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,480
and this is something i haven't heard

1523
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:02,079
much talked about and i really want to

1524
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:05,520
ask him is that he's also on the board

1525
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,359
of ccri um the consciousness contact

1526
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:11,200
research institute

1527
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,160
which

1528
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:14,640
was the free organization before

1529
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:17,359
uh which has like ray hernandez dr rudy

1530
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,480
shields

1531
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:20,480
child um

1532
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,599
uh and you know dr joseph burks has

1533
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:25,440
written a chapter for them

1534
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,640
uh in in their new upcoming book uh the

1535
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:30,800
original book was called uh

1536
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,720
was it ufos you know beyond ufos and

1537
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,400
it gets really into the conscious stuff

1538
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,160
and experiencers and the experience or

1539
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:39,760
study that they did with 4 000

1540
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,880
experiencers wow uh that one underwent

1541
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,800
like a six-hour survey or whatever it

1542
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:47,040
was hundreds of questions um per

1543
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,720
individual

1544
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,400
so that was like the first of its kind

1545
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,000
people criticized it but again it's the

1546
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,480
first of its kind uh but it's on like an

1547
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:56,559
academic level

1548
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,920
um

1549
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,599
so

1550
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,200
dean raiden is

1551
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,760
is a board member right and that never

1552
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:06,079
gets talked about i don't like what

1553
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,760
you know what's his interest and

1554
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:10,319
involvement in that you know

1555
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,119
yeah

1556
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,119
because it's clearly

1557
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,559
yeah because i mean they get they

1558
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,040
discuss remote viewing and and

1559
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,400
kind of every phenomenal logical issue

1560
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,400
uh but specifically their focus is

1561
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,200
contact with non-human intelligence yeah

1562
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,440
uh so yeah what's he doing on there

1563
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,960
that's what i want to know

1564
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,720
and you're going to get the answers got

1565
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:33,119
to get out of him

1566
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,400
anything else anyone else you've got

1567
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:35,920
coming on anything you can tell us about

1568
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:40,870
i have

1569
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,040
i'm not sure everyone will immediately

1570
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:49,119
appreciate it and see the relevance just

1571
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,319
yet

1572
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,839
um

1573
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:53,200
i hope they do

1574
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:56,960
right uh this individual uh

1575
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,640
and again i don't know how far they're

1576
00:54:01,589 --> 00:54:00,160
going this is i think the first time

1577
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,599
that they're going to share their kind

1578
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:03,440
of like experience or story from what i

1579
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:05,839
understand publicly wow um and they're

1580
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,800
an academic and they submitted a paper

1581
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,480
that was accepted

1582
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,680
by bixx

1583
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,680
the bigelow institute for uh

1584
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,920
consciousness studies this is the newest

1585
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,280
one wasn't it for the age right it's the

1586
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,520
afterlife one yeah yes

1587
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,599
yeah so they they were involved in that

1588
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:23,680
um and their their paper was submitted

1589
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,400
and accepted as an official um runner in

1590
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:28,319
the in the contest

1591
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,520
um

1592
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:31,040
and i i'm not sure if they're going to

1593
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,640
release that paper to the public i hope

1594
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,720
they do it's about 60 pages

1595
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,000
um but

1596
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:39,040
definitely relevant in the phenomenology

1597
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,799
aspect of stuff and

1598
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,480
um i don't know if they're going to get

1599
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,920
into some of the people that they spoke

1600
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:46,079
to during their research

1601
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,960
um

1602
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,200
but if they do it's going to be very

1603
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,319
clearly relevant why it's important nice

1604
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:54,000
man i can't wait for that i like it i

1605
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,520
like it because you bring these other

1606
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,880
guests to uh

1607
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,960
not everywhere and people don't always

1608
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,319
know who they are but when you listen to

1609
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,480
these interviews that absolutely

1610
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:03,920
the wealth of knowledge that comes out

1611
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,880
of them is

1612
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,040
is such a bonus on top of everything we

1613
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,040
get from the regular faces that we see

1614
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,920
so i'm really excited for that man um

1615
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,440
this is something i don't really talk

1616
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,799
about that much because it's a

1617
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,559
conversation that we that can go either

1618
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:17,920
way it's the

1619
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:21,280
anjali um the reason why i'm bringing it

1620
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,880
up here now is because she's got an

1621
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,040
interview with steve cambion in a few

1622
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:27,839
hours time now i think that'll be an

1623
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,160
interesting interview

1624
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,920
um i can't even remember what his

1625
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,640
channel is called

1626
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,000
christy christ

1627
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,000
yeah truth seekers youtube channel so

1628
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,160
for anyone who has questions or wants to

1629
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:42,079
see some more on that story

1630
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,119
go and see her latest interview because

1631
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:47,040
you know what what do you think james i

1632
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:49,280
i don't like talking about it because

1633
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:50,240
it's

1634
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:53,440
i mean i don't mind i don't mind talking

1635
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,040
about it i'm just going to give my

1636
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:57,839
honest opinion and um

1637
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:58,559
so

1638
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,200
the way i look at you know different

1639
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:03,760
cases or stories um

1640
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:04,480
i

1641
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,799
um

1642
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:27,040
but then i also look at you know what

1643
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:28,799
about it is relevant

1644
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:32,799
and and what what about the case um

1645
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:36,000
has supportive evidence to to to give me

1646
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:37,599
a direction to lean in and whether it's

1647
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,720
true or not

1648
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,599
and that kind of weighs out of is this

1649
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,480
relevant and is this worth my time as

1650
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,960
far as looking into and researching yeah

1651
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,200
um or following the story and then again

1652
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,040
and this is a case where we're just we

1653
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:53,200
just all we're along for the ride

1654
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,640
um

1655
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,640
this individual i think at truth seeker

1656
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:58,079
said he was able to find some

1657
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:59,599
information

1658
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:00,720
um

1659
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:03,359
which is interesting right so i'll pay

1660
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:07,200
attention to it yeah um but

1661
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,040
as far as the claims she made um

1662
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,960
i yeah of course the contact thing is

1663
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:14,400
interesting to me

1664
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,520
but

1665
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:17,280
um

1666
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:20,000
i mean she's made huge claims you know

1667
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:21,359
that

1668
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:24,319
a big event is going going to happen

1669
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,680
and so far you know in in my opinion i

1670
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,520
haven't seen any compelling evidence to

1671
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:32,160
suggest that it's going to happen sure

1672
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:33,040
right

1673
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,640
um

1674
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,640
and again i'm not discounting or

1675
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,400
ignoring or saying anything negative

1676
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,240
that's just my honest opinion i just i

1677
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,559
haven't seen anything

1678
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,079
any kind of compelling information that

1679
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,960
would mean lead me to believe that it's

1680
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,559
true or it's going to happen

1681
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:49,839
sure i mean

1682
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:52,400
now one thing that kind of is a red flag

1683
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:53,760
to me is like if you're talking about

1684
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,480
this place like why and it was legit

1685
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,880
why wouldn't the us government or or

1686
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:01,119
secret agency jump on it by now right

1687
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,400
yeah why didn't they just take the base

1688
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,319
away or close it off or make it

1689
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,520
classified um you know a classified area

1690
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,599
sure you know i mean it's not like

1691
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,760
they're the the intelligence communities

1692
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:13,599
don't know where she's talking about you

1693
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,559
know

1694
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,480
um they would be able to find it

1695
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,960
in like an hour not even

1696
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:21,200
uh you know it's a kind of mountainous

1697
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:23,200
area in the mojave desert and there's an

1698
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,040
e.t base or something over there so like

1699
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,040
why wouldn't they have gone and

1700
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:30,000
looked into it um yeah so it's to me

1701
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:35,190
i don't know i don't think that if there

1702
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:36,319
was something like that it would be

1703
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:37,440
ignored

1704
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:38,880
um

1705
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,760
again i it sounds like interesting like

1706
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:43,040
kind of like

1707
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:46,079
gaia tv interesting

1708
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,920
but it

1709
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:49,440
there's nothing about it that leads me

1710
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,640
to believe that that is gonna take place

1711
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,400
um

1712
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:59,030
would it be cool if that took place i

1713
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,160
don't even know i don't even know if

1714
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,160
that's the best thing for everybody for

1715
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:04,640
that to happen that way in such an

1716
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,359
environment and it's like

1717
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,040
i don't think you know if it was

1718
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,040
something so important and big i don't

1719
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:12,960
think it's being handled handled the

1720
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,040
right way i don't know you know

1721
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,440
i if i had

1722
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:19,680
an e.t base somewhere where i knew

1723
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,559
that's

1724
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,240
i wouldn't go about it that way i mean

1725
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:24,559
so proprietary and

1726
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,079
you're

1727
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,920
kind of have to depend on this

1728
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,440
individual

1729
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,440
to give you the answer and the truth and

1730
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:33,200
you know

1731
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:36,720
and in that scenario i just i don't know

1732
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,839
it doesn't make sense for me

1733
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,760
that uh how it's being handled and dealt

1734
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,200
with now

1735
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:45,280
i i've never had an e.t based in a

1736
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,640
mountain that i know of so i wouldn't

1737
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:48,319
know how to go about that right i

1738
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,680
wouldn't even i wouldn't know where to

1739
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,200
start i'm i'm

1740
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:53,040
too under qualified

1741
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:55,760
right but it just seems too important to

1742
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,319
be handled the way it's being handled

1743
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,079
um

1744
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,319
i don't know i mean

1745
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,760
what do you know what she's saying is

1746
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:06,079
going to be the ultimate outcome

1747
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,200
i i don't i mean i i don't follow it

1748
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,440
that much after the initial

1749
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:13,200
thing she did at the the monument

1750
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,760
washington monument was it and then i

1751
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,200
saw all the

1752
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,119
abuse she was getting on twitter which i

1753
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:20,960
really didn't like whether she's telling

1754
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,520
the truth or not i that really pushed me

1755
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:25,440
away from it so every now and again i

1756
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,960
just i might see something as i'm

1757
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,880
scrolling through twitter and that so

1758
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:30,400
yeah i'm kind of

1759
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:31,760
curious

1760
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:34,319
a little part of me deep down

1761
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:35,760
but that's about it so i don't really

1762
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,520
keep up with it and but i will probably

1763
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:39,680
watch this this interview just to cut

1764
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,960
that latest thing but and i mean if she

1765
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,040
has evidence um

1766
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,440
to put forward where it's gonna

1767
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,200
help in the overall conversation

1768
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,280
disclosure process that's awesome

1769
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:52,720
yeah um

1770
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,359
i i mean again i'm hopeful

1771
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,680
that that would be the case but i've

1772
01:01:02,470 --> 01:00:59,680
seen so many

1773
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,480
different things in the field like

1774
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:04,480
um

1775
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:07,920
dr jonathan reed for example right like

1776
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:10,079
it's just like we've been let down so

1777
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:11,920
many times and

1778
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:14,000
we don't need another letdown like that

1779
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:15,359
um

1780
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,599
but again you know i understand people

1781
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,200
were making the case well

1782
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,440
you know her stories is destroying the

1783
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:23,760
credibility of the uap subject and i

1784
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,400
don't think that's true

1785
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:28,319
yeah right is it helpful no it's not

1786
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,440
helpful if it's false uh but

1787
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:33,119
i mean we've seen too much we've come

1788
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,720
too far where

1789
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:35,839
if

1790
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:42,480
a more global disclosure we're going to

1791
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,799
see more and more things like that come

1792
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,040
forward that are kind of like

1793
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:48,640
you know rise and falls or different

1794
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:50,640
stories come forward that

1795
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:52,960
are hot for a minute and drop out you

1796
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,000
know i think we're gonna see a lot of um

1797
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:58,400
uh people coming forward like fake

1798
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:01,359
whistleblowers experiencers and

1799
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:03,440
um i think we're only gonna see more of

1800
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,240
that

1801
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:07,119
so if anything this is a um

1802
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,400
a teaching point right it's an

1803
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:10,079
educational

1804
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:11,039
um

1805
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,839
case for us where we can say okay let's

1806
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:15,119
just sit back

1807
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,640
watch how this goes on because there's

1808
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,240
nothing we can do about it anyway she's

1809
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,960
telling her story and we can't help her

1810
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:23,119
in any way you know she's going to pick

1811
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:24,319
out a few individuals to go on an

1812
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,520
expedition

1813
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:27,280
we're not allowed to be involved that's

1814
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:28,240
fine

1815
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,720
um so we'll sit back and and watch and

1816
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:32,400
if something happens it does if it

1817
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:33,920
doesn't it doesn't then we move on

1818
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,319
either way just real you know other

1819
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,319
things are going on that are making real

1820
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,680
change anyways

1821
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:41,039
you know it's not like

1822
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,119
no 20 years ago this might have been a

1823
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,119
bigger thing because we had nothing else

1824
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:47,440
to kind of go on like this this might be

1825
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,039
the one time we have something right

1826
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,359
guys but we already have things going on

1827
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,799
now where it's like

1828
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,559
if things like that don't pan out like

1829
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:56,400
the jonathan reed story or whatever it's

1830
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,640
like big deal we got we actually have

1831
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:00,640
stuff going on that like it doesn't

1832
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:02,720
matter if this story is not true or not

1833
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,760
because the story itself the uap story

1834
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,920
is is starting to be told yeah it's

1835
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:09,599
still evolving and that's what i mean i

1836
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:11,680
i it's really the first time i've spoken

1837
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:14,240
about it on any platform i get so many

1838
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:15,200
messages

1839
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,960
daily almost saying what are your

1840
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,400
thoughts on anjali why are you not

1841
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:20,720
posting about it and i'm just like

1842
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:22,640
what is it supposed there's nothing

1843
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,799
there's just just a story and i'm not

1844
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,319
here to promote stories i'm here to

1845
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:28,559
provide evidence and yeah meaningful

1846
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:31,359
conversations or data points you know

1847
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:33,280
yeah she seems like a nice person i

1848
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,760
would love to believe her story i'd love

1849
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:37,200
nothing more than believe that

1850
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:39,039
everything she's saying is true

1851
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:41,359
however however i haven't seen anything

1852
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:44,160
that that leads me that gives me kind of

1853
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:45,680
like

1854
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:46,720
um

1855
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,440
good reason to to take what she's saying

1856
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:51,920
at face value and if i if i can't do

1857
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,799
that

1858
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:54,240
um there's nothing i can do with the

1859
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,680
information and

1860
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,599
the information is not practical i mean

1861
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:59,760
how much time can i waste that or invest

1862
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:01,280
in it if it's not going to be something

1863
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:02,960
that i can actually do something with

1864
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:03,760
right

1865
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:04,799
like

1866
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:10,319
um a new uap story right where new

1867
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:11,920
witness or

1868
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:14,240
pilot comes out talking about that

1869
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:16,240
we have something to talk about we have

1870
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,680
you know where people in the community

1871
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,920
we can help disperse that information

1872
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:21,599
because we can vet it to a different

1873
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:24,319
degree and say this is actual

1874
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:26,559
now let's inform people about it you

1875
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:27,280
know

1876
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:28,960
uh we can't do that with this because we

1877
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,599
don't there's nothing we have

1878
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,440
to kind of lean on where we can say this

1879
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:36,480
is legitimate so let's start informing

1880
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:37,520
you know

1881
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:40,240
a spiral out from the community and and

1882
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:42,079
kind of let the information reach who it

1883
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:43,280
can do

1884
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:45,280
podcasts or interviews but there's

1885
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:46,640
there's nothing we can do other than

1886
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:49,920
what she said it's only what she said

1887
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:51,119
and

1888
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,559
you know it it's going to go where it's

1889
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,319
going to go and

1890
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,640
you know i i hope something you know

1891
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,400
really cool and i'm always waiting for

1892
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:02,640
something cool to happen yeah

1893
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:04,640
you know definitely so

1894
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:05,440
yeah

1895
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:07,200
no that's cool man well listen james

1896
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:09,440
we've just hit over the hour mark um i

1897
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:10,880
want to thank you so much again for

1898
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,799
joining me i feel that we are starting

1899
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:14,880
to ramp up again um so maybe we should

1900
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:17,520
do this every month or two just catch up

1901
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,400
and

1902
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,960
i forgot to tell you about um

1903
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:22,559
one of my announcements

1904
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,839
oh cool yeah please yeah so um

1905
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:27,520
i i am putting out a new channel on

1906
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:28,960
podcasts

1907
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:31,119
uh but it's not it's not

1908
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:32,640
specifically

1909
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,720
uh uap related

1910
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,640
uh so that's why i haven't promoted it

1911
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,640
too much in in the ufo thing because

1912
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:40,799
it's gonna be more about consciousness

1913
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:43,359
um consciousness mindfulness meditation

1914
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:46,160
phenomenology uh awakening if people are

1915
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:47,599
interested in that

1916
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,559
um

1917
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:50,400
so but i'm not going to involve that too

1918
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:52,079
much in the ufo stuff because i know

1919
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:53,680
people are here for ufos and that's cool

1920
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,480
man well you'd be surprised i mean on my

1921
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,240
channel here especially on my instagram

1922
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:00,000
and stuff is a there's a decent amount

1923
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,520
of that so

1924
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,839
i'll be more than happy to to share and

1925
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:05,119
promote that for you because i think

1926
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,480
people will benefit from that i've got

1927
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:07,920
so many people interested in that i'd

1928
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:09,280
like to take a look at it and listen to

1929
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:10,960
it yeah so if people are interested in

1930
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,640
that it's called meta perspective and

1931
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,559
that'll be coming out uh i want to say

1932
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,319
the beginning of october

1933
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:18,559
but i also have another guest on

1934
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,240
engaging the phenomenon that i did not

1935
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,480
announce yes um

1936
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,400
individual's name's vinnie he runs

1937
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:26,400
disclosure team he's gotta come on my

1938
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:34,069
any time bro just say the word you know

1939
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,760
i'm always i can always make time for

1940
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:37,520
you my man yeah we'll definitely set

1941
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,880
that up soon

1942
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:40,079
i kind of think if there's anybody else

1943
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,599
i have other people's schedule i'm

1944
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:43,440
trying to think because i'm like

1945
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:45,039
launching this other podcast now so i

1946
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,640
got like these two schedules and i'm

1947
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,640
like i have figure eights going on in my

1948
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:50,880
head now yeah now i know what you mean

1949
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,680
man

1950
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,200
but dean raiden is one i'm really

1951
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:55,200
looking forward to yeah

1952
01:07:12,069 --> 01:06:56,000
i

1953
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:12,079
he has an old youtube channel on program

1954
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,799
and it's like legendary this guy had all

1955
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:16,880
the remote viewers on he had jacques

1956
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:19,920
valle and like the 1970s come on show

1957
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:21,440
so this guy has done it's more

1958
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:23,440
consciousness stuff but he's had the ufo

1959
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:24,880
people on his show

1960
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:27,520
is he more 70s and 80s remote viewing

1961
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:28,960
era

1962
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,240
older stuff he's he's got it from back

1963
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:34,720
then to now i mean the guy

1964
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:37,119
he's like

1965
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,799
he i guess he would consider himself a

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parapsychologist

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01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:41,760
um

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01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,319
so but anything consciousness and remote

1969
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:46,799
viewing but he's had ufo people on to dr

1970
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,359
john alexander has been on his program

1971
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:51,119
several times

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01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,079
and this is

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01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:54,160
one this is before people knew who these

1974
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,559
people were this guy knew and had him on

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01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,480
and so like thanks

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01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:59,920
to him

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01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,000
uh that we we know more about this and

1978
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:03,920
had these programs back then and he's

1979
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:05,599
uploaded a lot of the old stuff onto his

1980
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:06,880
channel

1981
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:09,359
so i'm really looking forward to having

1982
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,599
him come on to talk about uh

1983
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:13,760
consciousness but also ufos because he's

1984
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:14,720
had

1985
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,480
uh you know he wrote a book called the

1986
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:17,839
pk man

1987
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,880
and um that involves an individual who

1988
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,960
was allegedly

1989
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:25,440
being able to demonstrate pk you know

1990
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,679
telekinesis basically moving objects

1991
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:29,759
with his mind in a sense

1992
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,560
um

1993
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:32,239
physical effects of consciousness but

1994
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:33,199
also

1995
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:37,279
this individual terry owens or ted owens

1996
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:40,319
was able to summon ufos

1997
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:42,640
so it ties into that whole aspect too he

1998
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:44,159
had something he called space

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01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:45,520
intelligence

2000
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:47,120
and he would communicate with the space

2001
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:48,319
intelligence

2002
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:51,040
and according to jeffrey mislove

2003
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,719
um

2004
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:54,799
he was able to demonstrate that on a

2005
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:58,159
somewhat regular basis with genuine ufo

2006
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,679
events occurring

2007
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:01,359
um so

2008
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:04,400
it's it's not as well known case as it

2009
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,880
should be i guess um but

2010
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,640
i guess the individual ted owens is

2011
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,040
really controversial kind of guy

2012
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,960
like not um

2013
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,719
conventional and

2014
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,400
kind of rough around the edges so i can

2015
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:18,400
see why people like that guy's nuts

2016
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,679
because he was just kind of like it

2017
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:21,679
didn't give an f about anything kind of

2018
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,679
guy if you if you look into the book and

2019
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,279
hear about his story he was kind of just

2020
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:27,199
like

2021
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:29,440
kind of a bizarre individual but again

2022
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:32,000
intriguing so jeffrey yeah jeffrey

2023
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,520
mitchell wrote that

2024
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:35,120
i'm going to start looking into mislove

2025
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,799
and dean raiden as well i think because

2026
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,080
i've been having a few conversations

2027
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,600
about remote viewing and stuff with a

2028
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:41,040
few people behind the scenes recently

2029
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:42,799
because again it's another aspect that

2030
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:45,279
is a bit distant from me

2031
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,120
from the you know the angle i came into

2032
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:49,199
this subject from so

2033
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,400
i want to learn do you know what i mean

2034
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:52,239
i really do yeah yeah well and i'll say

2035
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,679
one more thing and

2036
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:55,760
i this will piss the reviewing people

2037
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,719
off

2038
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:58,960
um but i think that

2039
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:01,280
you know ce5 or highest human initiated

2040
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:03,760
contact experiences and events

2041
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,640
and uh or cognitive human interface as

2042
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,640
it was you know written in the uh atip

2043
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:10,400
slide slide nine

2044
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,520
um

2045
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,040
to a degree

2046
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:15,440
i'm not saying it's just completely like

2047
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,400
you know better or whatever but the the

2048
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,640
idea with with the

2049
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:22,320
cognitive human interface is that

2050
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,360
there's

2051
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:25,840
biological effects sometimes

2052
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:26,960
so

2053
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:29,199
there's a physical tangible component

2054
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:32,400
right so with the remote viewing i mean

2055
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,360
you could

2056
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,520
they they get some incredible stuff

2057
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:37,679
right yeah and they got incredible stuff

2058
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:40,239
and stargate and and the grill flame and

2059
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:42,239
the different programs that they had and

2060
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,000
obviously the can the program's

2061
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:46,640
continued now i had that confirmed to me

2062
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,350
that that remote viewing program still

2063
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:55,120
uh alive

2064
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,800
but wow um

2065
01:11:02,229 --> 01:11:00,719
the thing with uh

2066
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,239
ce5 or

2067
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:04,239
um cognitive human interface is that

2068
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:05,840
there's there's a kind of there's a

2069
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,760
physical component to it

2070
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:09,600
where you can verify that something

2071
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,920
objective is going on right um you know

2072
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,520
again not that it's more important than

2073
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:15,920
remote viewing you know viewing

2074
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,600
is uh the i mean it's

2075
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,199
in my opinion the studies that have been

2076
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:23,280
done are awesome and it's like it's

2077
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:26,320
amazing that there hasn't been more done

2078
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:28,000
with the data because if you read dean

2079
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:29,920
raiden's books it's like what

2080
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,199
like this the data and there's is like

2081
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,280
proven beyond a doubt that like this is

2082
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,280
chance by far

2083
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:39,280
um that people are able to

2084
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,400
have these different kinds of

2085
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,800
experiences and effects right but the

2086
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,719
interesting part about the contact part

2087
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,840
of it

2088
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,080
is that there can be a physical object

2089
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,400
that comes in and can be seen not by

2090
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,960
multiple people but even recorded

2091
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,800
right so that's where the rubber meets

2092
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,840
the road

2093
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:57,920
where you have like psychic phenomenon

2094
01:12:01,430 --> 01:12:00,320
being physically demonstrated in a sense

2095
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:01,440
right sure

2096
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:02,880
um so

2097
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,360
i that that tangible

2098
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:07,600
aspect that moves it from

2099
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:09,600
it is still partially subjective but it

2100
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,440
has an objective component where there's

2101
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:13,520
an actual object there in consensus

2102
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:16,000
physical reality as well that appears

2103
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:17,440
and interacts

2104
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:20,080
um so i think that that has even more

2105
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,600
potential in a way

2106
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:23,360
than um some of the remote viewing

2107
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,360
studies just because of that physical

2108
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:27,360
component right

2109
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,840
and i hope someday that's implemented

2110
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,679
um you know i know sky hub's not around

2111
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:32,880
anymore but

2112
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:36,400
uh in a uh official sense yeah but i i

2113
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:37,840
hope that

2114
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:39,760
people that are looking to remote

2115
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,239
viewing like in the programs and stuff

2116
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:44,640
that there's a study taken on

2117
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:47,840
for a cognitive human interface because

2118
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:50,080
there's there's data to be collected

2119
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,760
yeah absolutely that'd be huge man

2120
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:55,840
yeah the possibilities that could come

2121
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:57,679
from that because i mean the thing with

2122
01:13:02,070 --> 01:13:00,480
remote viewing and again i think it's

2123
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:02,080
it's incredibly important because it's

2124
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:04,960
demonstrating something clearly that

2125
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,640
our physics doesn't

2126
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:08,400
readily explain

2127
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:09,199
and

2128
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:11,920
reasons that science

2129
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,840
doesn't appreciate remote viewing as

2130
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,880
much as

2131
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:16,960
i think we all think it should

2132
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,440
is because in science if you have an

2133
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,840
effect and you don't have a reason for

2134
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,520
how it happened science likes to throw

2135
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:25,120
it out and say if you can't tell me how

2136
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:26,239
it happened

2137
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:27,760
you know it's no good

2138
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:30,880
um so because they can't explain exactly

2139
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:34,000
how it ha the effect works yeah it gets

2140
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:35,520
less credibility

2141
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:36,719
um

2142
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,600
but

2143
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,600
again i think having that physical

2144
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,920
component is a huge thing

2145
01:13:45,910 --> 01:13:43,760
yeah for sure man

2146
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,920
man i'm so excited i want everybody

2147
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:48,000
obviously i've linked your channel below

2148
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:48,800
um

2149
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,480
when the new channel or when you want to

2150
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,560
share the links please do and i'll share

2151
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:54,000
them as well but

2152
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,320
before we and just tell everyone where

2153
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:58,480
else they can find you and come and

2154
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:01,920
follow you sure uh you can find me on

2155
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,239
youtube at engaging the phenomenon i

2156
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,920
think uh twitter's

2157
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:08,320
dubbed my uh my twitter account engaging

2158
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:09,360
me

2159
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:11,520
uh but if you just search engaging the

2160
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:14,080
phenomenon on twitter or youtube or

2161
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,679
podcasts uh spotify apple podcast

2162
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:19,600
uh you'll find my stuff also instagram

2163
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,400
but i'm more active on other platforms

2164
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:24,560
awesome man thank you so much for taking

2165
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:26,000
the time out of your day i know you're a

2166
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:27,280
busy man but

2167
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:29,600
so so much appreciated brother so thank

2168
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,080
you so much and uh hey you know we keep

2169
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:34,239
in touch speak soon man

2170
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:35,679
definitely i'm glad to be on and you've

2171
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:38,960
been doing superb work man thank you man

2172
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:40,320
you're right here to keep tuning into

2173
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:41,840
your channel because you're doing some

2174
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,159
excellent work and uh you obviously have

2175
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,400
that lab back there so

2176
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:48,239
you're picking something up and you have

2177
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:50,320
lou alexander coming on again right yeah

2178
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:52,880
this coming sunday oh my god that's

2179
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:56,320
going to be incredible man yeah i'm

2180
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,159
yeah it's gonna be good all right all

2181
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,840
right thank you so much for having me on

2182
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:01,440
man i appreciate it and i appreciate

2183
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:02,560
your friendship

2184
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,920
no anytime man and um yeah let's just uh

2185
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,280
keep looking forward to the future and

2186
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:10,080
see what happens um for everyone else uh

2187
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:11,600
that was here live and for everyone

2188
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:12,960
that's gonna watch this after the fact

2189
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,320
thank you so much for the continued

2190
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:16,800
support um i'm back on live here

2191
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,640
tomorrow night with max moskowitz to

2192
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:20,400
talk about everything he did across the

2193
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,800
weekend in san marino with lou so be

2194
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,400
sure to tune into that i think we'll be

2195
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,400
joined by sean rash as well

2196
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:28,080
just having another discussion so yeah

2197
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:29,600
guys thank you so much and i'll see you